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Monday, January 08, 2007

Dialogue between Jews and Muslims

I have a Jewish friend with whom I see eye to eye on many issues. But there is one issue that we always debate and that I do not agree with her on.

My friend insists that you cannot have dialogue between Jews and Muslims without talking about the Israel/ Palestine situation. I disagree.

Firstly, there are a lot of Muslims in the diaspora who have never engaged with the Israel/Pal situation and who have no indepth knowledge or interest in it. Over a third of Muslims in Australia are Australian born. The largest ethnic groups after that is Lebanese in the East and SE Asian Muslims in Western Australia. For these people there are other issues that are much more salient than ME conflicts. Does this mean that we should exclude them from interfaith dialogue and debate? Or should we be forcing them to engage with an issue that they feel has no immediate relevance to their lives?

Secondly, what about Palestinian Christians? If we are going to base interfaith dialogue on the conflict, then shouldn't Christians have an equal say and participation? In that case then, why restrict dialogue to Muslims and Jews at all, bring in all faiths and include athiests as well.

I'd be interested in what others think- especially Jews in Israel and elsewhere. Do you think that dialogue is impossible without talking about Israel and Palestine? Why or why not?

176 comments:

The Usual Suspect said...

Thanks Racoon
There have been a lot of initiatives called "interfaith dialogue" here- mainly about increasing understanding and tolerance between faiths.
After reading your history of the Jewish people on your blog, I can understand the significance of Israel. OK- so how do we open dialogue between Muslims and Jews without making it about the conflict in Israel? And how do we include those for whom the conflict is of little significance to their everyday lives like second and third generation Muslims and Jews in Australia? Any suggestions?

Anonymous said...

Uhm. I think I still don't get the point of interfaith dialogue.

But even so, given that it's almost impossible to talk of the Jewish religion without talking about Israel... this particular conflict is a small thing, historically speaking.

It's been blown out of every proportion by the media (we're talking less than 10,000 dead on ALL sides here over years and years of conflict. Car accidents claimed many more lives, FFS!), and its historical and/or religious significance for Jews is negligible.

So you could, maybe, set some guidelines for the dialogue - like starting it with an understanding of what is what. Given the context, the current conflict is nothing: so unless the person in question is utterly obsessed (and then dialogue is impossible anyway), focusing on this particular conflict would seem... redundant.

Uhm. But isn't it up to each religion to sort out it's attitude to the world?

I mean, Muslims have to make up their minds on whether Jews are "pigs and apes" or "God's chosen". But that doesn't require the Jews themselves, I think, no? Just theology.

Other'n that, all it takes is research and some more research... why dialogue?

*blink*

Anonymous said...

nice...basically raccon is as ever saying that muslims are all wrong and that they're the ones who need to change.

anyway, i have had lots of jewish friends, and while i am neither muslim nor western-born (still arab though) i have usually tried to avoid bringing the whole thing up until i sense that they're not the kind of people who equate condemning human rights abuses with anti-semetism. if they are not, then we usually talk it through and continue about our business. i lived with an israeli chick for a year and that is how it worked for us.

Anonymous said...

Suckiest part of inter-faith dialogues, is having to actually learn stuff about the other person's religion. The other sucky part is having to prove to them that you are right, and they are wrong :)

I can't even have a discussion with other Christians about the basic tenets of Christianity without getting in an argument. "Yeah, but what does it REALLY mean!? Can't you see what Jesus is REALLY saying in this verse!?" and so on and so forth.

Seems like it would be a nightmare. Perhaps if the participants were carefully selected, and the topics of discussion were strictly limited, it might do some good. Handled poorly, it might make things worse.

The Usual Suspect said...

Racoon and Craig
I think the benefit of Interfaith dialogue is just to break down damaging stereotypes- I don't think you have to really study the other religions but often people don't know anybody who is Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist etc because they can be quite isolated within their own religous communities. So getting to know others who want to also know you opens up the door to testing our own prejudices and stereotypes.

The first Jewish person I got to know in Australia was a Sth African guy who was doing a teaching course with me. He basically told me I would not be welcome in South Africa because of my skin colouring. He said that I am coloured and that coloured people shouldn't be allowed to teach white people.
I have to say, I formed a pretty ugly picture of South African Jews based on what this guy was like but the more other Jews I got to know the more I was able to challenge that stereotype.

Now, I consider myself to be in a good position because I do not isolate myself- I work, I study and I have a wide circle of people from all faiths that I would count as friends- but there are so many others who are not as socially connected and all they have is their own misconceptions on which they can generalise about people.
That's what I think interfaith dialogue can address.

Abu Sa'ar said...

TUS - oh. In that case, just limit the topics and hand out fliers.

And that SA guy - WTF?!? Someone actually allowed this moron to teach?

Forsoothsayer said...

sorry, i meant anon, not raccoon.

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